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”A device and method for protection of legitimate software against used software and counterfeit software in recording media… A specific title code is read, and if this title code has been registered, the main unit shifts to a normal operation. If the code has not been registered, verification software is initiated… If matching does not occur, the disk is processed as illegitimate software… Since only titles for which legitimate software has actually been purchased and which have been initially registered in the machine table can be used, resale (so-called used software purchase) after purchase by an end-user becomes practically impossible.” Find out more of there story at this link: http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000420067137/
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Its just a "rumor" It probably won't happen
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"OneGenerationTooLate" wrote:Its just a "rumor" It probably won' happen Let's just hope it doesn't happen!!
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"airfiggy" wrote:"OneGenerationTooLate" wrote:Its just a "rumor" It probably won' happen Let's just hope it doesn't happen!! Let's hope it DOES, then Sony will fall flat on their asses because of their greed. Keep in mind that this is the same Sony that installs spyware on your computer if you try to play any recently released CD from their label...

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"NES-Luke" wrote:"airfiggy" wrote:"OneGenerationTooLate" wrote:Its just a "rumor" It probably won' happen Let's just hope it doesn't happen!! Let's hope it DOES, then Sony will fall flat on their asses because of their greed. what about MS? There much more money hungry then Sony.
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Man, if this goes through, this has Anti-trust lawsuit written all over it. I doubt it'd even be LEGAL to do that. Besides, if this were to pass, even bringing a game to a friend's house wouldn't work. My List. Remember, everything can be bought, for a price.
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"rabidshark" wrote:Man, if this goes through, this has Anti-trust lawsuit written all over it. I doubt it'd even be LEGAL to do that. Besides, if this were to pass, even bringing a game to a friend's house wouldn't work. I know..it would suck. I would have to bring the whole system.
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MS may be money hungry, but all companies want to make as much money as possible.
Anyway, if it is true, it would stink. But I don't think i'll ever get one, so :P
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If that were so everyone would have to have their PS3 connected to the internet; one way or another. Otherwise how are they going to register these games?? Also a side note, I highly doubt that Sony would go through the trouble of burning individually the code onto each CD/DVD/PS3 Media. http://www.myspace.com/jennikisaI need friends.... I had to nix Tom. He wasn't really my friend. His smile "mocked" me.
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"BarbieJenniGirl" wrote:If that were so everyone would have to have their PS3 connected to the internet; one way or another. Otherwise how are they going to register these games?? Also a side note, I highly doubt that Sony would go through the trouble of burning individually the code onto each CD/DVD/PS3 Media. They don't have to be online. You'd just need a valid registration code, similar to how PC games have been for the last 10 years. of course you could always "crack" the game, but the average person doesn't know how to do that sort of thing.

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Ok, let's assume you buy a PS3 game and it comes with a little card that comes with the registration code on it. Let's also assume that your PS3 will never be connected to the internet. The first time you play your PS3 game you have to type in the registration code. Voila! The game works. A couple of days later, you grow tired of the game, and sell it on EBAY along with the registration code. John Doe, who buys the game, puts the game into his PS3. Types in the registration code, and Voila! The registration code works! And why is that? The PS3 has a built in player and not a burner. I.e., unless the PS3 somehow alters the disc by "burning" the registration code ALONG with a unique "thumbprint" of your PS3 system (meaning the game would only work on your PS3 system) I don't really see how they are going to implement this otherwise.
Recap on how this serial code/PS3 protection might work
1.You buy a game, SEND in the unique reg. of your PS3 system ALONG with the unique registration code of the game. Think about this, how many of you actually send in those cards?
2.You buy a game, are hooked up to the Internet, game sends system code PLUS game reg code to game publisher (or Sony). You honestly think that 100% of the PS3 units sold will be Internet connected?
3.PS3 system will burn both system code and game reg code onto the disc. You honestly think that Sony would go through the trouble of making their "gaming console" burn ready? That would add to the price along with that kind of a integrated system being rather bothersome because if that's the only thing the burner does it's rather pointless in the great scheme of things. Have we heard that the PS3 will have ANY kind of burn-capabilities?
Just some thoughts :-) PS If you can come up with any other technical ways of integrating the unique system code along with the game reg code then please let your voice be heard. http://www.myspace.com/jennikisaI need friends.... I had to nix Tom. He wasn't really my friend. His smile "mocked" me.
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that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard! first of all, what 3rd party company would want to make a game for a system like that!? sales would be horrible. noone will be able to rent games to try them out before buying. you can't share games with friends unless they're at your house playing your system. people will have to pay too much money to get a game. $60 as you won't be able to buy used ones. used video game stores won't carry ps3 games. why the hell would a company want to do something like that? that's pretty much asking to go bankrupt :roll: http://www.geocities.com/nes_life = NES_Life http://users.ign.com/collection/campkill1387 = My Collection
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"campkill1387" wrote:that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard! first of all, what 3rd party company would want to make a game for a system like that!? sales would be horrible. noone will be able to rent games to try them out before buying. you can't share games with friends unless they're at your house playing your system. people will have to pay too much money to get a game. $60 as you won't be able to buy used ones. used video game stores won't carry ps3 games. why the hell would a company want to do something like that? that's pretty much asking to go bankrupt :roll: Yes. But you know, it's Sony, so I wouldn't doubt that they would do something like that. WE know it's stupid, but the guys at Sony probably think it's a grand old idea. Visit my Blog - Updated Nov 27th 2005
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"Roll" wrote:"campkill1387" wrote:that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard! first of all, what 3rd party company would want to make a game for a system like that!? sales would be horrible. noone will be able to rent games to try them out before buying. you can't share games with friends unless they're at your house playing your system. people will have to pay too much money to get a game. $60 as you won't be able to buy used ones. used video game stores won't carry ps3 games. why the hell would a company want to do something like that? that's pretty much asking to go bankrupt :roll: Yes. But you know, it's Sony, so I wouldn't doubt that they would do something like that. WE know it's stupid, but the guys at Sony probably think it's a grand old idea. yeah good point. they're a bunch of brainiacs :roll: http://www.geocities.com/nes_life = NES_Life http://users.ign.com/collection/campkill1387 = My Collection
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"BarbieJenniGirl" wrote:2.You buy a game, are hooked up to the Internet, game sends system code PLUS game reg code to game publisher (or Sony). You honestly think that 100% of the PS3 units sold will be Internet connected? This is probably the most likely method, because there's no way anyone would take the time to program potentially millions of consoles to check for its own unique regestration codes. Imagine a far-fetched non-internet scenario: They didn't give you the regestration code to play the game until you sent them the reg card. Because there's no way to link a regestration number to a system without sony knowing which system each game is for. Sony has to link the system to the game itself manually. This would force you to wait 6-8 weeks to actually play the game. UNLESS you could do it over the phone. Which would STILL be a pain in the ass. Imagine the hold time on those lines. Imagine the man hours required to take those calls. Even still, any regestration number gotten this way couldn't be checked against the system unless each individual system was programmed to know its own regestration code and check it against the code sony gave you. I'm having trouble thinking of a sane way for this to work.
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Sony won't be so stupid to forbid gamers rentals and used software.
As far as I heard, they have a technology that could do something like that, but that doesn't mean they have to use it. They could use that for promo or presentation discs which they don't want to be played somewhere else than presentations or stores.
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"NES-Luke" wrote:Let's hope it DOES, then Sony will fall flat on their asses because of their greed.
Keep in mind that this is the same Sony that installs spyware on your computer if you try to play any recently released CD from their label... Yeah, they've gone crazy. Of course, Bill Gates' megolomaniacal tendencies have resurfaced, so they're not alone.
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Sony has added its voice to a growing number of publishers and developers who are questioning the harm caused to the industry by the pre-owned games market.
Speaking to respected trade publication MCV, SCE UK's commercial director Kevin Jowett said that the pre-owned games are damaging full priced titles: "The blame for heavy discounting of current releases can be laid at the door of the pre-owned market."
Jowett believes that the thriving second hand market, which has become an increasingly important component of retail, has forced prices down. "When consumers see pre-owned titles for 10 or 15, this fosters the perception that this is the realistic price for all games, and the new release roster looks unrealistically priced," he said.
However, the Sony boss went on to add that, although this was damaging, it wouldn't affect Sony's budget Platinum range: "Platinum offers gamers a cheaper way to buy games with a proven heritage. A Platinum release is an assured-quality title, whereas a discounted release may not meet these same exacting standards."
Jowett's comments certainly echo some developers' legitimate concerns. Epic's very own Mark Rein undertook a massive and highly entertaining rant at last year's Edinburgh Games Festival in which he blamed developers' financial woes on the second hand market.
This latest fusillade from one of the industry giants is particularly interesting in light of recent speculation that the PlayStation 3 won't play second hand games and that any title you buy, will have to be an original and fully licensed copy.
Does the industry have a valid point? On the one hand, it's easy to see why publishers and devs despise the second hand market - they only get to sell their game once, don't see any profit from subsequent second-hand sales and are expected to continue to offer support on second hand products. Jowett may have also a valid point when he says the second hand market is driving price expectations - but we're less convinced of that as an argument.
Few would argue that the majority of games are too expensive, no-one minds paying top dollar for a Half-Life, Halo or GTA, but is Mediocre FPS 8, Average Racer II or By The Numbers RTS 4 really worth 45 GBP? There's also the question of ownership. Once you buy game code you might think of it as your own personal property, which you're able to re-sell or dispose of as you see fit. However, it may surprise you to learn that most of the time you actually just buy a license to use the code, rather than really owning it in your own right.
source computerandvideogames.com
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That's crap. Sorry for the language.
If there are no used games, hardware sales will go down the hill. It's just a desperate attempt to justify their overpriced stuff. Blame it on the used games. :?
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"manuel" wrote:That's crap. Sorry for the language.
If there are no used games, hardware sales will go down the hill. It's just a desperate attempt to justify their overpriced stuff. Blame it on the used games. :? Those were my thoughts exactly.It stinks for those who will buy one. Also, if I get a game 2nd hand that I enjoy, i'm more likely to buy the sequel, at full price, more than I would have if I hadn't picked up the prequel cheap.
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