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Ok, so I believe that in the first one, Link has a Coat of Arms on his shield which uses a cross-like divider. But also in the second one, he has a more distinguised cross. So why does everything written here fail to mention that the games all have different storylines?! This is the key difference:
In games 1/2 the storylines are supposed to directly follow each other, with little background on Link or any other character in either. When we reach A Link to the past, we notice his new little blue shield that was his uncle's. (To exclude the shield upgrades..) But! We are given some things on this stop on the timeline here...
-Link is a direct descendant of an order of holy nights.
-Link's current situation with some family and a much more civilized hyrule implies that the storylines between TAoL and LttP are not connected.
-Given that after this point, Link's holy night connections are constantly mentioned in the games, we can assume that Link is always intended to be such a paladin.
Therefore, he has a very good reason to have a cross-bearing shield in 1/2. "But why if we finally find out that he is in a holy order of nights," you may ask, "Does he not have a proper shield after this point." Well, it's simple. Link's uncle's shield was made plain because his uncle didn't know he was in such a bloodline, as we find out later when it is revealed to Link by Sharalashra and the maidens. The other shields, fireball and mirror, were also not made especially for Link, so they do not get any special depictions either.
You see? The whole problem is not that complicated. It's just a matter of storyline, not word meanings or religious background. And we go on...
In some more sequals... let's call the next one Link's Awakening... we are given no information on the heritage of Link. We only know that he was lost at sea, and was knocked into a coma. Not that special. In The Ocarina of Time, he is just a Hylian raised by the Kokori. No mention of knights. He is just a very special guy. And boom! This is where all of Link's destiny becomes tied to the Triforce and the Godesses.
So to put in some new twists, the design team "Shyamalan"s the storyline, and makes a whole new religion for Hyrule. It does not imply a turn away from Christianity, it simply implies that in the world it takes place in, Christianity never existed, and the oly known religion is the one of The Godesses and the Triforce.
And that should about sum it up.
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Actually this guy interprets too much out of his own mind while I just pointed out the obvious things: Crosses on shields and grave stones like in real life, crosses on churches(!) and a bible(!), Quote:-Given that after this point, Link's holy night connections are constantly mentioned in the games, we can assume that Link is always intended to be such a paladin.
Therefore, he has a very good reason to have a cross-bearing shield in 1/2. Sorry, I don't really see the connection here. Because the SNES Link has connections with holy knights, the NES Link has a good reason to carry a shield with a cross? Am I right when I assume that you think that it's always the same Link in every game? Because that's not the case. There was one Link in "Zelda I" and "II", there was second Link in "ALttP" and "LA". Then we have the Link from "OoT" and "MM". And the one from "OOA" and "OOS". The "WW" Link is separate one as well. So, explaining the Shield of NES Link with a connection between SNES Link and knights doesn't work here. And by the way, if the cross is just a coat of arms then there is the question: Why do they use it on their grave stones, for their churches and why do they have a bible? But what is also intersting: Why do all these Christian symbols suddenly disappear in the pagan-oriented games? Isn't it strange? In the NES games there are no pagan gods mentioned, but Christian symbols are shown. And just when they invented the three bitches, they suddenly dropped all the Christian stuff. If they aren't supposed to be Christian at all, but just generic symbols that were taken because it looks good, why are there no crosses on grave stones in "ALttP" anymore?
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Out of interest, I looked into the original word in the game, ????, which worked out to be pronounced 'baiburu' presumibly simple characters for little kiddies. 'bible' wound up being translated as ??. edit: this forum frowns upon my use of wacky alien characters. So I made this:  But I don't know kanji or anything, so I'm just going on detective work. This doesn't really prove anything either way in my opinion. The two character 'bible' does seem to refer to the Bible and not just the word 'bible'. So it's not a stretch to imagine that "baiburu" could refer to the Bible using the simpler characters. But it could still just be the word 'bible', which (sorry) does not nececarily mean the Bible. And I must admit, I have no idea what connotations the Japanese would attatch to this word. Either way, I'm glad I looked into it--I was just curious and am now posting my findings. Also, you get a cross in Zelda 2 as an item, to make flying eyes visible. Priests use crosses for a similar purpose except for the floating eye bit. Also also, you get an item that lets you walk on water. I bet that's all about Jesus too. Oh, oh, and you can get a spell that shoots fire out of your sword. Christians are all about magic, so I hear.
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