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Roth
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:43:36 PM


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WOW! Learn something new everyday. Exactly where is this 'lock-out' chip?

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Luke
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:23:01 PM


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The lockout chip was Nintendo's way of making sure people got licences to produce games. Some companies such an Tengen found ways to get around it. the Japanese Famicom doesn't have a lockout chip, which is why their carts are only 60 pin. also, if you get the famicom to NES adaptors, they usually contain the lockout chip which is why they allow games to work.

as for the location of the chip, I believe it's labeled as 'CIC' on the NES motherboard, I'll crack mine open tonight (again :P) and see if I can give better directions.

Roth
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:54:32 PM


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Now, doing stuff like that makes me nervous. Exactly how would you "cut it out?"

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Luke
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:52:38 PM


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From the little bit of research I've done, you cut pin #4, and solder wires from it to two different places, but don't go trying it based on that :P

Roth
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:54:29 PM


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Heck, I haven't soldered anything for over 10 years, I wouldn't even THINK about attempting it! Cool to know, though. Thanks!

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Nes-a-holic
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:09:46 PM


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No you don't have solder,check this link and then you will know what to do!

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Luke
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:11:43 PM


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ah, but it makes some games unplayable... not worth it in my opinion...

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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:15:45 PM


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It plays all ntsc games, but not all pal games or not all japanese games,but most of them. :D

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Luke
Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:18:12 PM


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perhaps if I were to ever find a large cache of PAL/FC games I'd consider it on a spare NES, but not worth the trouble if you don't have the carts...

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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:06:36 AM


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"Roth" wrote:
"Nes-a-holic" wrote:
If your looking for PAL only releases i can hook you up once in a while, if you could arrange some NTSC releases only we could trade in the future.


I'm kind of new at this, what exactly is PAL and NTSC?


NTSC and PAL are video standards. Europe uses PAL, and North America and Japan use NTSC. This is video-wide, and not just NES or video-game consoles... If you get a chipped NES, the screens should look squished or not fill the whole screen, I believe...


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Luke
Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:17:39 AM


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the difference I have seen from a few DC games I have with a PAL/NTSC selector is that PAL is 50Hz, while NTSC is 60Hz, our televisions are designed for that signal, and 50 Hz will looks scrambled or not fit properly on the screen here.

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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:47:03 PM


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Yeah some are playable and some you can't even see the game properly, but still that is a small amount of games that give this problem.

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Roth
Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 2:06:17 PM


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But what games would those be? Anything important?

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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:34:49 PM


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Here's a list of games, but there are some more.

[size=18]PAL Games Showing Problems on NTSC Console [/size]

Asterix (Infogrames) Background severely corrupted on NTSC console, making the game unplayable.
Balloon Fight (Nintendo) On NTSC console, the upper portion of the background starfield on the Balloon Trip is partly stationary.
Battletoads (Tradewest/Rare) Graphical corruption on NTSC console. Also, the main game plays at about half the normal speed -- in alternate frames the background is all black, which means that the screen flickers.
Battletoads/Double Dragon (Nintendo/Tradewest/Rare) Graphical problems on NTSC console. On the character selection screen, the background jitters up and down (sprites remain stationary), and the top part of the screen flickers. The main game plays at about half the normal speed -- in alternate frames the background is all black, which means that the screen flickers.
Blades of Steel (Konami) Title screen split occurs in wrong position on NTSC console.
Bram Stoker's Dracula (Sony Imagesoft) Title screen music does not play on NTSC console. However, you can hear it by manually selecting it in the sound test.
Castelian (Storm/Triffix) Some title screen corruption on NTSC console.
Cobra Triangle (Nintendo/Rare) Title screen corruption and score panel "jumpy" on NTSC console.
Digger T. Rock - The Legend of the Lost City (Milton Bradley/Rare) This game uses the AMROM board; "bus conflicts" are possible. Graphics are severely corrupted on NTSC console, making the game unplayable.
Double Dragon III - The Sacred Stones (Acclaim) Game hangs on NTSC console.
Dr. Mario (Nintendo) Some graphical corruption on NTSC console.
Dropzone (Mindscape/Eurocom) Graphical problems on NTSC console.
Elite (Imagineer) Graphics are severely corrupted on NTSC console, making the game unplayable.
Flintstones, The - The Rescue of Dino & Hoppy (Taito) On NTSC console, screen flashes white during basketball games. There are other glitches too.
Gauntlet II (Mindscape) Scrolling problems on NTSC console.
High Speed (Tradewest/Rare) Hangs when run on NTSC console.
International Cricket (Beam/LaserBeam) Title screen is corrupted on NTSC console
Jimmy Connors Tennis (Ubi Soft) Gameplay speed is probably adjusted for PAL 50Hz frame rate. Ball bounces strangely on NTSC console.
Joe & Mac Caveman Ninja (Elite) Does not work properly on NTSC console. The game seems to play okay, but after the game is over and you return to the title screen, starting another game causes the console to lock up during the game intro sequence. The screen flashes on and off, though the music still plays.
Kick Off (Imagineer/Anco) Does not work properly on NTSC console: menu screens flicker when controller is moved, in-game playfield is corrupted & flickers.
Krusty's Fun House (Acclaim) Graphical problems on NTSC console.
Lion King, The (Virgin) Does not work properly on NTSC console. Title and option screens "jitter", and the in-game graphics flicker violently.
Mission: Impossible (Palcom) Some graphical problems on NTSC console. Screen flashes when talking to people, game over/continue text jitters.
Pin·Bot (Nintendo/Rare) Hangs when run on NTSC console.
Rad Racer (Nintendo/Square) Track graphics are severely corrupted on NTSC console.
Rush'n Attack (Konami) Scrolling problems on NTSC console.
Silent Service (Konami/Rare) Corruption on title screen on NTSC console.
Solar Jetman (Nintendo/Rare) Minor graphical glitches on intermission screens on NTSC console. Otherwise seems to work okay.
Star Wars (JVC/Beam Software) On NTSC console, status bar flickers, there is some slowdown and minor graphical corruption.
Super Mario Bros./Tetris/Nintendo World Cup (Nintendo) Does not work properly on NTSC console; selecting some games returns to the menu screen instead of starting the game.
Super Off-Road, Ivan "Ironman" Stewart's (Tradewest/Rare) Some graphical corruption on NTSC console.
Tecmo World Wrestling (Tecmo) Second screen split on "VS" pre-game screen occurs in the wrong place on NTSC console.
Time Lord (Milton Bradley/Rare) Severe graphical corruption and invisible graphics on NTSC console.
Trojan (Capcom) Scrolling glitches and some flickering on NTSC console.
Wizards and Warriors (Acclaim/Rare) Graphical corruption on NTSC console.
Zelda II - The Adventure of Link (Nintendo) Minor title screen glitches on NTSC console

[size=18]NTSC games showing problems on PAL console[/size]

Cobra Triangle (Rare) The graphics all messed up in game and then crash on PAL console.
Final Fantasy (Sunsoft) Has text scrolling problems but can still be read on PAL console.
Ice Hockey (Nintendo) Title screen is corrupted on PAL console.
Jaws (LJN) Severe graphical problems on PAL console.
Karate Kid, The (LJN) Title screen is corrupted on PAL console.
Micro Machines (Codemasters) Crashes and resets on PAL console.
Ninja Gaiden (Tecmo) Does not show intro sequence properly on PAL console.
Pin·Bot (Nintendo/Rare) Graphical corruption on PAL console.
Predator (Activision) Problems with score line on PAL console.
Rad Racer (Nintendo/Square) Track graphics are corrupted on PAL console.
Sesame Street ABC & 123 (Hi Tech Expressions/Rare) Graphical corruption on PAL console.
World Champ (Romstar) Screen split in wrong position on PAL console.
Zelda II - The Adventure of Link (Nintendo) Title screen and status line are corrupted on PAL console.

I found 2 more games NTSC that don't work well on PAL systems:

Mendel palace, game starts up when you select a castle screen freezes and turns black.
Nightmare on Elmstreet,game is still playable but from half till upper part screen goes wild when walking or jumping or punching.After a while it gets mega annoing.

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Luke
Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:51:41 PM


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but all NTSC games work properly on an NTSC console, correct? I've heard of two games that don't work after clipping the lockout chip.

FireHawk, and some other one I can't remember...

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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:18:51 PM


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That can be true dude, i dunno for sure,i don't own firehawk.Do you have a spare Nes?if you don't chip it you can still play the games on another console.

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Luke
Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:21:46 PM


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Well, I have two right now, one is clipped, one is not. I may have to give the non-clipped one away. but I'm sure I'll come up with another sometime.

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Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:36:21 PM


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Yeah man that's not so hard,i own a couple,some are clipped some aren't,better to keep some unclipped to keep them in original state.

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Luke
Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:50:27 PM


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exactly, that's why I'm keeping my clipped one as a hacking NES, as I've stated a few dozen time I plan on trying that overclock on it soon, (Metroid REALLY needs it)

Roth
Posted: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:03:09 PM


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Sometime in the near future, I'm going to get another NES to try some of this stuff with. I'd really like to experience some of the stuff that's abroad. It'd be fun to mess with the NES's guts, too! :D

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